[Moved out of tournament 3 by pcktlnt] You guys can argue here

[+Os. joe]

rofl KRS called the fan team hahah ( i know u hate my work but honestly i dont really care) ( smudge is the easiest thing to do and thats why i dont do it, besides i like originality and u guys are far from it ;)

[+dd. `aNime~>kiNg]

LOL! joe i dont hate ur work but we u disrespect mi work of course im gonna be rude back

[+dd. KRS25]

rofl KRS called the fan team hahah ( i know u hate my work but honestly i dont really care) ( smudge is the easiest thing to do and thats why i dont do it, besides i like originality and u guys are far from it ;)

WTF? I have not talked to them at all today joe, and in fact I have actually been at work for most of today (still am) where we cannot get on MSN here. So keep your false accusations to yourself otherwise I will give you an infraction, and leave me out of this.

[+Os. joe]

Ak thats my opinion and u know how i price originality, if an opinion u take it as rude then i dont think we have what to talk about ;). Oky Krs ban me :).

[diesel]

I dont actually hate your work, i just hate how you think your above everyone else and how you think you have the right to put down other peoples work because you dont like them.

[+Os. joe]

everyone else and how you think you have the right to put down other peoples work because you dont like them.

Wrong, in fact i appreciate lots of ppl work and take it as inspiration but not copy it, but i can tell u an example of Ak tag (1st layer crack stock on multiply, 2nd painting eyes, 3rd the knife) now u tell me i wasnt right and is not an extremly simple tag), he is copycat ur tags and yes i dont appreciate this, i appreciated ur first tag with the concept but not this. I have the right to an opinion, i dont care of winning but there are some ppl who would never vote with me even if KRS has a dot on a blank pages, and thats pretty lame and pls dont tell me im not right.

[diesel]

Im not just talking about AKs tag, its not just about this situation. You often put down other peoples work because you dont like them. Like mine for example, last round you said it was a flawless victory, meaning his sig was perfect and mine was horrible.

And dont start talking about people not voting for you, when you know dam well you do the same thing.

[+dd. `aNime~>kiNg]

whos tag did i copy -.- i didnt copy anyones sig

[+Os. joe]

Im not just talking about AKs tag, its not just about this situation. You often put down other peoples work because you dont like them. Like mine for example, last round you said it was a flawless victory, meaning his sig was perfect and mine was horrible.

And dont start talking about people not voting for you, when you know dam well you do the same thing.

I wasnt till i noticed which is the politics, u do it, krs do it, ak do it and why shouldnt I, (i really appreciate honesty but as long its not a virtue anymore and none cares ..) about last time, ur tag was horrible to ur nomal tags and u know it that one didnt represent you at all, some of ur tags are amazing but not that one and u cant deny it. And that Zeo tag was amazing to what he usually do so ye i agree with you. I dont put ppl down, i find their work even if its newbie can pe inspirational but not copy, all u guys started cuz of my opinion on AK tag and yes thats my opinion and not only mine. Originality is the base of art, execution can be learned. So if u judge me on my opinions then ye have an issue.

[+dd. `aNime~>kiNg]

can u tell me whos tag i copied-.- cause im pretty sure i didnt copy anyones tag-.-

[diesel]

Actually no Joe, i found my sprite sig to be very creative, original and one of my better ones, i think i executed it quite well, but it didnt have the pretty colors. I was never not voting for you on purpose, never have, it just so happens that i have actually voted for you many times in duels, but go and find a duel/comp where you have voted for me, you wont because you think i had some vendetta against you because im friends with KRS.

AK has not copied anyone, i havnt seen that exact sig before, yeah it is a common technique, but at least he didnt copy someone exactly...

So lets talk about originality, and copying other peoples work then Joe, seeing as you brought it up.

Your sig, that won sotw, looks pretty original and creative...or so we thought.


http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk209/joe-diamond/joesig.png


http://iunewind.deviantart.com/art/8-mart-50418097
http://iunewind.deviantart.com/art/Green-dawn-v2-135033314

Looks like pretty much an exact copy to me, not just using a familiar technique.

Your welcome to your opinion, but your opinion isnt always wanted. Its a competition, not the CnC area, people dont enter for you to put their work down because you dont like it.

[+ill. xzisted]

can u tell me whos tag i copied-.- cause im pretty sure i didnt copy anyones tag-.-

I think she said
he is copycat ur tags and yes i dont appreciate this"He" pertains to you, AK
and "ur" pertains to the person she was talking to who was diesel.

So...I think she said you copied diesel's tag.

EDIT:
Just to add, I haven't seen AK's sig before. XD I'm not taking sides here.

[+Os. joe]

rofl Diesel that is a copycat looool do u see what u are doing ...thats pretty lame ^.~, yup i used some textures and even some materials from that guy but loooool saying that i copyrighted hahahaha. Guys this is pathetic, Taking AK side by blaming me with that its very pathetic. My tag is very different besides has a lot more on it and its pretty worked out.

I said i appreciate originality between those 2 tags being original is extremely difficult, i didnt say i am original 100 % never said that, i have some original concepts but keeping only original not even royo or ainley can do that.

Between Flow and Aks which copyed ur concept (crack skin and eyes) and its a very simple tag i chose Flow and said the reason i did it. I didnt say i blame it, in fact i also did but ORIGINALITY WAS THE REASON OF MY VOTE!!!!!!. Sry caps but ppl it seems like we really have an issue here.

[+ill. pcktlnt]

You guys can argue here.

--- Edit ---
I'm not here to take sides, but this seems more like it is stemming from a misunderstanding and after the jump on KRS. I know of some sites that require people to post reasons as to why they voted for one tag over another tag.

But did it really need to be kept in the tournament thread? Please work out your differences through pm or msn. This is suppose to be a friendly site.

[+ill. xzisted]

You should probably move it to another section then since this doesn't have anything to do with a "challenge".

[+Os. joe]

Your welcome to your opinion, but your opinion isnt always wanted. Its a competition, not the CnC area, people dont enter for you to put their work down because you dont like it.

I know that a negative feedback its not wanted ;) but its the only feedback i personally like, and i think u understands why. So we are not suppose to say the reason u voted for that tag ...interesting and this is since i didnt vote with AK tag, pretty lame this one too.

Trying to trash me its not the answear to your problems, and whatever u tell me the staff think about you, some ppl dont agree, posting that not that didnt offend me but helped me also to prove kind of ppl you are. I have some news for you, the last time u tryed to trash me is an epic fail... Probably ull wonder why..Check it out ~.^

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/Joediamond2/1-2.png

Those parts censored were personal and u are not the ones who i want to share.
I could post some parts of private messages or some things that could hurt some ppl, but unfourtnelly that would also hurt the site not even those ppl who hate my guts (u can loose this denial form). Next time when you are making any accusation instead of accting professional (Krs and Diesel) think twice. Gratz for your epic fail.

[+dd. KRS25]

You don't stop do you joe?
They aren't 'attacking you' because you didn't vote for AK, thats ridiculous. Its the manner in which you say your reasons which is disrespectful. Negative feedback is ok, but take into consideration someones feelings as well and don't be so blunt.

As for the "approval", funny you say that, because when I contacted the artist about this originally (when you first made it) he did not know anything about you or your work, and also thanked me for notifying him of it and that he "collects plagiarised things". Approval for using someones work is supposed to be received BEFORE you do it. But also, nowhere did diesel mention anything about you getting, or not getting, approval to use the work. He simply stated you were being a hypocrite by saying how unoriginal AK was, when yet you do this.

They are not trying to trash you, you just need to learn how to be respectful with comments. Diesel was not trashing you, he was pointing out that you were being a hypocrite. You were slamming AK for his lack of originality, yet the peace diesel pointed out was also unoriginal.

Just stop with your childish whinging, it has really grown on my nerves and you seem to complain about me and drag me into arguments even if it has nothing to do with me. I have stayed out of this argument, yet you seem to keep bringing me into this and including me in everything. Do I ever do that to you? No. So just stop stirring the pot would you and leave me alone.

[+Os. joe]

funny Krs that IuneWind dunno about you Krs otherwise i would have known that, this sharade its ending here. Everybody knows u are protecting AAK and also the last time I voted with Zeo instead of him made u unconfortable. Yes I voted with Flow because his work is way over AK, u cant change my opinion no matter how hard u can try to trash me or to make me look bad in front of the people. Again originality is the most important for me and this is why I voted with Flow. And yes thats why its all this sherade cuz i didnt vote with ur protective, and its not the first time, first time u started was when i voted Flow instead of u. Now this should end up here. I have the right to my personal opibnions in case its not against the rules. Have a nice day.

@edit and admitting u wanted to made me unconfortable by pm iunewind and telling that joe used his work ... this is becoming an obsession and its lame.

[+dd. KRS25]

Would you like me to show you the email I received from Iunewind? Because I gladly will ;)

For the last time joe, we are not trying to change your opinion or complaining that you did not vote for AK. Stop assuming things that you know nothing about. We are simply saying there is no need to be disrespectful in your comments about people's sigs, whether it be AK's or anyone elses. The way in which you gave your reasoning for choosing Flow's was disrespectful to AK and also very hypocritical.

Yes I had to bold that for you because you seem to be unable to fathom what we are trying to say.

First time I started? What are you even talking about :???:

So for the last time, we are not trying to change your opinion or vote, and no a personal opinion is not against the rules, however disrespecting other members is against the rules so next time don't be so rude in your comments, especially when you have lacked originality in the past ;)

[~flow+]

well even that this started probably my and AK sig i see that i should post smt here, but
i dont want to take any side or so, and wouldnt like to come to this conversation either so i dont say anything :D

[+Os. joe]

How can u say i was rude...omfg what in god name i said that u make me rude, i said that its not perfect and lacks originality so my vote goes to Flow, and i voted with AK before, im not this time, this is just insane, i really dont understand this tragedy...why not doing this for other members, i also said to flow negative feedback and other ppl why didnt u protect them from my negative feedback/opinion. You also give negative feedback, AK does it and he its not even right where were u then...dont u see that has no sense, and i wasnt rude and its not the first time when i gave negative feedback, history repeats itself u are was too protective with AK..why cuz he says that he loves u every post for u...that definetly not going to help u improving u should see behind this "connection" you guys have.

I didnt say im original 100 % I said that i respect originality, and Flow concept this time was just great in my opinion.

And regarding my creativity and concepts you can say everything about me newbie bad execution but thats the last thing u can say im lacking. I also post along with my sigs mostly of the times, stocks i used so ppl can see my work

But sending pms to IuneWind to get revange on me thats just insane, whatever was between us, this is way too much Krs even for you.

[+dd. KRS25]

No actually I contacted him to see if he gave you permission, and turns out he didn't. So I was correct in my assumption. And no, we only react when you act disrespectfully to other members, ALL members, but it seems your harsh comments only seem to be directed to us in your "CnC". Take a look at your other votes in the tournament voting, do you see any harsh feedback to anyone else? No.

Look joe, you are obviously too blatantly ignorant to take any negative criticism yourself and have a look at the way your acting so I'm not going to reply anymore. Once again I will take the mature route, seeing as you seem unable to, and leave this topic die.

Say all you like from now on, because I know you love to have the last word, but us three know what we saw (4 if u count the other unnamed member who contacted me on msn about it) and the way it was said, and has been said in the past, and it was disrespectful and could have been said in a much nicer manner.

[+dd. jeffsigs]

Ok this has gone to far, maybe even to long. Can we all just squash this, and start over. We have a great community and we don't need all of this negativity between our members.

No one is understanding each other because you all have different understandings, opinions, and even hurts. So lets move forward.

I believe at the bottom of this whole thing, there are 2 people Krs and Joe that have an issue that needs to be addressed (and its not just about this time) and fixed whether an "I am sorry for this or that." is in order by both or not. There is clearly some hurts and/or misunderstandings that can stand to be elevated.
Please understand I listen to all parties involved and I am not on any ones side, but I do believe this is between the two of you and it sucks that "innocent" members like Ak, Flow and Diesel got sucked into this ordeal.

Please don't hate me guys and gals lol...

[~flow+]

i hate you jeff... jk :)
that was awesomely said ;)

krs, joe maybe this looks like your 2 discussion, i think you should keep arguing others with PMs OR even better opinion is to make deal and get things clear :)

[+Os. joe]

Ok this has gone to far, maybe even to long. Can we all just squash this, and start over. We have a great community and we don't need all of this negativity between our members.

No one is understanding each other because you all have different understandings, opinions, and even hurts. So lets move forward.

I believe at the bottom of this whole thing, there are 2 people Krs and Joe that have an issue that needs to be addressed (and its not just about this time) and fixed whether an "I am sorry for this or that." is in order by both or not. There is clearly some hurts and/or misunderstandings that can stand to be elevated.
Please understand I listen to all parties involved and I am not on any ones side, but I do believe this is between the two of you and it sucks that "innocent" members like Ak, Flow and Diesel got sucked into this ordeal.

Please don't hate me guys and gals lol...

None could hate you Jeff and i really appreciate the wise words, im sry if i offended anyone but i cant acting false and instead of lieing i rather choose not to say anything but that also means that i wont vote on Sigbar anymore exactly why i mentioned earlier. My votes are always an issue so like krs asked me not to vote on his duels and i respected that and i didnt prolly if i wont vote with AK and Diese l duels/challenges will fix the actual issue and everyone will be happy.

I appreciate your words Jeff and thank you for not taking sides.

[+dd. KRS25]

Trust me jeff, I have tried on numerous times to ask her (via PM) to stop harrassing me and starting arguments on the forums about me. Here is the perfect example of your childish antics towards me. I had nothing to do with the thread, and had not started anything, yet her very first post she brought me straight back into the argument for no reason. And joe I did not ASK you to not vote in my duels, we both agreed that we could not come to an agreement so therefore to stop any further arguments I suggested we not vote in each other's duels.

I am past the apology stage because she has done this one too many times, and I have tried to ask her to stop, (you can read the PMs if you like) but she is still insistent on being a thorn in the rose.

Not once have I started the argument, I simply retaliate and defend myself when she makes sly remarks about me or towards me for no apparent reason and defames my reputation.

Joe, you can act as the victim all you like, but to tell you the truth I had 3 other people contact me last night and say how you were acting like a kid with all this nonsense so its only hurting your reputation here with all this useless bickering about me, AK & diesel.

Grow up and leave me alone, I do not talk to you or about you so don't do it to me.

[+dd. jeffsigs]

It goes beyond the voting with you guys though so we can't get hung up on just that. I think the voting has added to it. We took down voting polls so people didn't cheat and vote for themselves and we then asked people to vote for people and tell us why and we figured that would elevate some of the favoritism, but then the reverse favoritism needs to stop as well, just because we have issues with someone else. That's why this needs to be resolved so both sides stop taken offense from each other.

[Zeo]

Okay... This is my tawke on all this. I've had several times where I stand up for joe and I've done the same with KRS... Both good people. IT just seems to me KRS and alot of people take joe to be ****y, and to precive she is better than everyone else. She is from romaina and not the best with english. I've had many convo's with her. She can use the wrong words and prtray something she doesn't mean. Also on the flip side. KRS your argument through most of this was joe is ****y, and says she's better than most. I've noticed sometimes the same effects out of the way you word things. The thing we all have to remeber here is that we all do gfx for fun or we should. There should be no reason on the green and blue earth for this to happen. Yes, we have some better than others. When joe said flawless victory with me and diesles it was because to her I had won the battle. I am a flawless member as is she. She was simply showing team pride. You guys read far to much into things. Diesel you whole rip thing... I'll give you the second one could be a rip... it all depends on where the image she used came from b/c tbh with the sizing diffrence it would be hard to use the way it was. She also could have got it from someone else.... You never know. The first one you can drop it. I honestly would have done the same thing with the text had I used a jungel theme. Also is the plant life the same? the letter isn't even the same. Okay, onto my next thing. AK... Your tag is good. I voted your b/c to me flows is a tad cluttered. If his wasn;t so much of a c4d spam he would have had my vote on pure originalyity. I've seen on occasions you slightly copy diesel the milk tag. You honestly can't say you didn't get that inspirded from D's tag. Ak, you've lost alot of you inital orginallity that you use to have your conforming to the standard way of tags now. Yes, you'll get move votes they look better. Great effects and everyhtign, but not as original as you use to be. ... So I mean I'm not going to say joe's right, but to me the way I see things is Joe vs AK,KRS,Diiesel... I'd consider you to be attacking me as well. I mean to me KRS you opened this with a threat... Your third post is threating joe to drop it or you'll give her an infraction. I mean honestly You going to punish someone for having a opion that's isn't yours?
I'm going to stop this not another post from me in this. If anyone has oemthing to say to me about it. MSN: falconboy@elmore.rr.com that's also my email or pm me.

Z Out.

[+dd. KRS25]

Zeo, in all due respect, this has nothing to do with you and you do not know the full story so don't make assumptions. I threatened joe because ASKING her to stop her childish antics does not seem to do nything, she continues to do it regardless. And No, you have never stuck up for me against joe, but thats not the problem here and I am not worried about that.

My 3rd post is a threat? What about her first post Zeo? The initial starter of all this. If you took the time to read this thread you will notice that the 'my argument through most of this' was actually asking joe to leave me alone and stop dragging me into every argument. I had nothing to do with this thread or voting, and yet her very first post made a sly/smartass remark about me which was completely unprovoked. Further stirring of the pot and sly remarks will see her receive an infraction (which is less than what some people are asking for) because I am sick of it, and so are a lot of people. Jeff has seen the full story and is going to deal with it, so lets leave this die ok.

(PS... the plants are copy/pasted from that artwork, as are the bugs and waterdrop and the 'O' is the bottom half of that '8' (exactly) .)

That is all from me.

[+dd. jeffsigs]

This will be the final post so hear me out please.

I am both KRS and Joe's friend and I am not taking any ones side, though I am going to step in to stop this. Zeo your are kind, to think that some of the correspondence between Joe and Krs was lack of language or a simple misunderstanding on Krs behalf. Joe you have called out Krs on several occasions, one in particular because he doesn't duel me and or Diesel but that is because me and Diesel haven't dueled in a long time.

So from now on stop being rude to each other. Its just making everyone else uneasy, seeing it. Krs is a Mod and he helps this place run smoothly like the rest of the team so please respect him as a member and a Mod and at the same time he himself should show you the same respect as well. This doesn't mean you need to vote for one another, just don't make subtle jabs.

I told Krs if he has an Issue with Joe to come to me and Joe please do the same. I will be enforcing the attitudes with infraction or possible ban because I am personally tired of it. If I see something that I feel is rude or directed as a jab at someone, I am going to give you a warning and next will be Infraction and so on.

Neither of you are better than one another. You both are very talented for how long you guys have using Ps. Keep it up, don't let this be a hindrance.