Religion

[xBRONCOS]

so im getting my confirmation and Father says... "everyone descends from adam and eve". I thinking how is that possible if there are different races in the world like black people japanese etc. and if we were all descended from adam and eve wouldn't we have the same blood type????


for all you hardcore religion people tell me what you think

[Mel76]

I voted no....


If this sort of stuff interests you, and you like to see things disproved etc then why not have a look for a documentary called ZeitGeist, its interesting to say the least ;)

[xBRONCOS]

will do mel.

[zanbatsu-kun]

i voted no, firstly because im an Ateist, secondly because there is no such thing as a god, if there is, why hasnt he showed himself to us, huh, if were his precious race, i ask you that

[xBRONCOS]

interesting. im watchin the movie ZeitGeist right now on google video

[-bH.munky]

I voted no because for one he just doesn't exist and i'm ateist.Two,there are loads of wars and fights going on all the time,if god existed wouldn't he just stop these wars? If he does exist and doesn't stop the wars doesn't this mean we worship someone who likes us killing each other?

[S.W.A.T]

Guys i dont think this is a good idea, and trust me, its gonna turn into a flame topic. It always happens in the forums i go to

[kcman1]

have no god and im support the post of s.w.a.t

[xBRONCOS]

Guys i dont think this is a good idea, and trust me, its gonna turn into a flame topic. It always happens in the forums i go to isnt this a friendly community? noobie or the moderators can remove it if they want.

[S.W.A.T]

Guys i dont think this is a good idea, and trust me, its gonna turn into a flame topic. It always happens in the forums i go to isnt this a friendly community? noobie or the moderators can remove it if they want.

Oh it is, but since that there are so many people, you dont know

[Harakiri]

Hey, i'm getting confirmed too. When's yours?

[xBRONCOS]

Hey, i'm getting confirmed too. When's yours?
well im doin it right now but the end date is 5/11

[Etha]

This really isn't a good idea...I can tell you now it will end up like this:

THERE IS NO GODDDDDDDD

YES TEHRE ISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

NO YOU ARE IGNORANT

NO YOU ARE CLOSED MINDED

NO YOU ARE

NO I WENT TO COLLEGE

I WENT TO CHURCH

CULTIST

YOUR GOING TO HELL

[Hoxitl]

I believe that there's an all powerful being that rules over all existance, and that evolution is nothing more than a part of his grand design to bring creation into the world. But due to the fact that for said being, God, time is different and so the passing of our lives is within a wink of his eye. Evolution will eventually catch up to his idea. And the fact that some of the ways that our ancestors wrote down his teachings are dated and mistaken that doesn't undermine his existance.

God exists.

If you do things right people won't even know that you did 'em.

[xBRONCOS]

This really isn't a good idea...I can tell you now it will end up like this:

THERE IS NO GODDDDDDDD

YES TEHRE ISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

NO YOU ARE IGNORANT

NO YOU ARE CLOSED MINDED

NO YOU ARE

NO I WENT TO COLLEGE

I WENT TO CHURCH

CULTIST

YOUR GOING TO HELL so far everyone is behaving humanely

[Etha]

Oh but it can change...you get one opposing view point and people go crazy.

[xBRONCOS]

Oh but it can change...you get one opposing view point and people go crazy. lol i know but... like i said the moderators can remove it. its inevitable i guess :lol:

[noobie]

Its ok to be here, as long as you all behave.
:D
Ive got my eye on yous!!!!! lol

[Dantekain]

For me "GOD" does excist but he has given us a free will.

And I think that he ain't bothering anymore with us cos we keep screwing things up here on earth...

[Mel76]

interesting. im watchin the movie ZeitGeist right now on google video

How you finding it xBRONCOS ? I thought it was interesting to say the least

[-bH.munky]

For me "GOD" does excist but he has given us a free will.

And I think that he ain't bothering anymore with us cos we keep screwing things up here on earth...
That's a good point there Dante...still doesn't make me believe in him tho

[diesel]

i believe in god but i do not believe in christianity..

will explain tomoro wen i get home from work, just too buggered right now...

[Bloody_Saint]

well i believe there is a god but we all have free will and for her/him to intervene in anyway shape or form would go against said free will we were all descended from eve not adam and eve just eve look at the theory of evolution personally imo it best explains as we as a species came to be as for thing like the bible and religion pffft just ways to control the masses as to miracles and such we create our own we are still developing as a species and gaining more intelligence and strength over the generations now providing we dont blow our selves up or get to reliant on technology we will continue to do so the brain and human genome are all mysteries waiting to be unraveled who knows maybe one day telekinesis and other such forms of mind abilities will come to fruition with in our species ^_^ thats about my 2 cents on the subject lol

[Dantekain]

That's a good point there Dante...still doesn't make me believe in him tho

Do you believe that there is a devil/satan or something evil? (and I don't mean Vintage by "evil) :P

If so, then why can't there be a god also?
If not...ok 8)

[-bH.munky]

Nope I don't believe in any superhuman or extremely powerful being.

[Dantekain]

Nope I don't believe in any superhuman or extremely powerful being.

:shock:
Whaaatttt...so you also don't believe in tha easterbunny? And how about Santa Clause? Don't tell me that you don't believe in him to...

[-bH.munky]

Nope lol, I don't believe in any of them

[noobie]

:shock: Santa is sooooo real!!!!
How could you Munky? :(:(

[Dantekain]

Well I know one kind of superhuman/powerfull beings that you've got to believe in : every MOTHER in the world is a superhuman and for sure a extremely powerfull being. 8)

Even you can't deny this...

[-bH.munky]

Dam how could I forget my mum is superhuman lol...Ok I believe in 1 superhuman being...*whispers*my mum...

[Etha]

Well, okay then. Here we go:

I feel that there is a God, whether or not you believe in Him. I think that He is almighty and created the Heavens and the Earth in seven days. Some people don't see any logic behind this; but I say, He is God and can do as He wishes. We are simple humans and can not comprehend everything that is His will, but I think we will as time goes by.

I believe that every person is responsible for his or her own actions and truelly knows in their hearts that there is a God; despite what their mind tells them. I believe that since everyone is responsible for their own actions that there needn't be a government or official to tell them what to do, how to live...things like that.

I feel that every person knows if what they are doing is wrong and is mature enough to do it. I believe that if you repent to God with a heavy heart that He will erase your guilt and the wrong of which you feel that you have done.

I am not a Christian. I used to call myself that but I will no longer because of the people who also call themselves Christian and ruin it. When people ask I say I have a relationship with God.

I don't think that it is anyone's right to decide if somebody is a sinner or not. Humans have no right to judge anyone on anything. I believe that if you do have a relationship and faith in God that you do not walk around in such a manner of "Do you go to church!? Wanna come!? Are you saved!?" But rather showing Him through yourself, making yourself different from the others.

I believe that since we can not judge others, God will do the judging and He will decide.

I believe that God made all of us through His own image and loves each and every person that He created.

I know that humans have grown to be so far and distant from God that they no longer can see the good that He does and only focus on the bad; the bad which HUMANS have created. He gave us our own free will and we abuse it. It is not HIS problem to fix, but OURS.

WE started war, HE did not. WE must fix it.

/endrant

:D

[zanbatsu-kun]

I second that post Munky, and Bloody Saint.... i kinda got lost in your post =] lol

[-bH.munky]

Etha, i'm not religious and even I know if he created the earth it was in 6 days(the 7th was a rest day). I'm just being an idiot arn't I? lol

[Etha]

Haha well if you want to get technical then yes he only worked for 6 days but I say 7 because I think that rest is important ^^

[xBRONCOS]

interesting. im watchin the movie ZeitGeist right now on google video

How you finding it xBRONCOS ? I thought it was interesting to say the least yes it is, theres alot of things that are very interesting 8)

[xBRONCOS]

very well put etha :P

[xBRONCOS]

Its ok to be here, as long as you all behave.
:D
Ive got my eye on yous!!!!! lol ahhh! lol *hides under the bed shaking*

[-bH.munky]

Triple post lol

[VioLeNcE-]

I believe in God. I try to live as a Christian, although it doesn't turn out that way a majority of the time :(

If there is no God, I personally cannot see how the earth came into play. (The odds of the big bang occurring are astronomical.) Then I start to think about space and If it ever ends... and if it does end... what's after space... then I get dizzy and have to sit down. :shock:

[Bloody_Saint]

lol i got lost in my post as well i was pretty much ranting more than stating my opinion XD and ill never classify myself under any religion most of the are hypocritical anyways so no point to it :P

[Brainer]

I voted no. Why? Well, because I don't believe in God. If he was there, he wouldn't have allowed to all these disasters (terrorism, wars).

It's said that he cares for us all. Well, does he really do? Too many bad things has happened to me to believe in his so called "care". This might sound egoistical, but doesn't it concern all of us gathered here? I bet bad things happened to y'all once. Well, say for yourself.

I don't believe in him and I'm not going to, even though my pops try to convince me. Well, I don't give a damn what they think about God. The fact is I don't believe.

Sorry if I offened someone.

[Dantekain]

I voted no. Why? Well, because I don't believe in God. If he was there, he wouldn't have allowed to all these disasters (terrorism, wars).

It's said that he cares for us all. Well, does he really do? Too many bad things has happened to me to believe in his so called "care". This might sound egoistical, but doesn't it concern all of us gathered here? I bet bad things happened to y'all once. Well, say for yourself.

I don't believe in him and I'm not going to, even though my pops try to convince me. Well, I don't give a damn what they think about God. The fact is I don't believe.

Sorry if I offened someone.

Like I said, he gave us a free will and we (the people) are screwing things up, we are killing tha earth and killing each other for money, power and even for pleasure.
If ya look in back into history of men, you'll see a lot of death and destruction and most of the time it was in tha name of a religion and in tha name of god (and it doesn't matter which language). It's no wonder he pulled his hands of of us.

[Vintage]

God is good, god is great, give me a cookie and i will....

[bigun]

i voted that there is a god....... ME! haha :twisted:

[Etha]

I voted no. Why? Well, because I don't believe in God. If he was there, he wouldn't have allowed to all these disasters (terrorism, wars).

It's said that he cares for us all. Well, does he really do? Too many bad things has happened to me to believe in his so called "care". This might sound egoistical, but doesn't it concern all of us gathered here? I bet bad things happened to y'all once. Well, say for yourself.

I don't believe in him and I'm not going to, even though my pops try to convince me. Well, I don't give a damn what they think about God. The fact is I don't believe.

Sorry if I offened someone.

Like I said, he gave us a free will and we (the people) are screwing things up, we are killing tha earth and killing each other for money, power and even for pleasure.
If ya look in back into history of men, you'll see a lot of death and destruction and most of the time it was in tha name of a religion and in tha name of god (and it doesn't matter which language). It's no wonder he pulled his hands of of us.

That's exactly how I feel, only I don't think God left us. I think that we left Him...

[Brainer]

I believe that "seeing is believing". I won't believe until I see him.

Yeah, we killed in the name of God and we're still doing it. Take a look at Muslims working for those terrorist organizations. I think they're exageratting, because how could they kill in the name of God? The book says that God gives us life and he takes it back. He doesn't want us to kill in his name! It's just crazy! Someone who they consider as a 'link between God and humans' told them they'll get virigins if they commit a suicide, additionally killing innocent people. Crazy, ain't it?

To conclude, this world is rotting. And humans are guilty.

[lokifeyson]

I don't believe personally, but I guess I don't know for sure either, but why can't things just be. Henry Rollins said it best, "when you step on that bug, it dies, it doesn't go to heaven, its dead!"

Hoxitl:
If you do things right people won't even know that you did 'em

somebody watches futurerama :D

[Dantekain]

Take a look at Muslims working for those terrorist organizations. I think they're exageratting, because how could they kill in the name of God?
To get a bit off topic here...if ya look at it very hard you'll see that they don't do it in name of their God but for revenge...
They don't fear death cos they have the misconception that they are dying in a worthy caus and that they will be rewarded when they go to heaven. :wink:

Henry Rollins said it best, "when you step on that bug, it dies, it doesn't go to heaven, its dead!"
Hmmm...but how did he know that tha bug didn't go to heaven? Maybe there is a place in heaven for all living beings...even dogs go to heaven :P

[Brainer]

[quote=Brainer] Take a look at Muslims working for t Maybe there is a place in heaven for all living beings...even dogs go to heaven :P

I've heard that animals don't have soul. :P

[lokifeyson]

Dantekain:
lokifeyson wrote:
Henry Rollins said it best, "when you step on that bug, it dies, it doesn't go to heaven, its dead!"

Hmmm...but how did he know that tha bug didn't go to heaven? Maybe there is a place in heaven for all living beings...even dogs go to heaven

actually, no according to every priest or pastor I have asked, they don't :(
not even the dog :(

not sure, but it might say in bible, at least I assume because they keep telling me no :?

edit: I found this
http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/animalheaven.shtml

[Dantekain]

Now I'm confused....see what ya did Loki...
Now I will start to follow tha path of confusius...

*Ignorance is the night of the mind, but a night without moon and star.
*Men's natures are alike, it is their habits that carry them far apart.
*Everything has its beauty but not everyone sees it.

[lokifeyson]

lol, sorry

my favorite quote - "I'm so insane, I don't know that this is impossible!" -Daffy Duck

[Dantekain]

aahh..Daffy Duck, a true confucsius believer... :P

[Bloody_Saint]

anyone else feel natural disasters is the earths way of controlling population? XD

[xBRONCOS]

anyone else feel natural disasters is the earths way of controlling population? XD i always thought that when there wasa natural disaster god did it to clean the earth but that was when i was young....er

[Hoxitl]

I don't believe personally, but I guess I don't know for sure either, but why can't things just be. Henry Rollins said it best, "when you step on that bug, it dies, it doesn't go to heaven, its dead!"

Hoxitl:
If you do things right people won't even know that you did 'em

somebody watches futurerama :D

Jajajaja, yeah that episode was great! and it really puts things into perspective as the God from Futurama didn't even know where the Earth was, and they also made a great point with Bender being God. If he does too much people become dependant on him, if he does little, they stop believing. So he acts with a gentle touch, like a safe cracker. He does something to help, or interfere here and there. There's a reason behind his actions, we just don't know what it is.

[Bloody_Saint]

well if people wanna get technical how do we even know we have souls hmm????
because a couple of books tell us we do??? pfffft don't even go there every "holy" book out there was written by man and as a species we are habitual liers and what i ment by my last post is dont you feel the planet itself is trying to maintain balance the earth is one huge ecosystem after all so if one thing goes unbalanced another thing must come to balance it out if not it all goes poof

[Etha]

well if people wanna get technical how do we even know we have souls hmm????
because a couple of books tell us we do??? pfffft don't even go there every "holy" book out there was written by man and as a species we are habitual liers and what i ment by my last post is dont you feel the planet itself is trying to maintain balance the earth is one huge ecosystem after all so if one thing goes unbalanced another thing must come to balance it out if not it all goes poof

Lol...um..I have no idea what you just said XD

As for the souls thing...this might not even be remotely related or make any sense as I am probably the only one that does it but have you ever really sat down and pictred what it would be like if you weren't alive? I fyou couldn't think? Like literally had no mind, had nothing, no presence. There was nothing, space, absolute nothing.

it seems impossible that who I am, who you are, our minds aren't anything. That we have no "souls", that when we die nothing happens. For me it just can't be, there's too much that tells me that who I am can't dissapear forever...

Guess I'm just weird that way...

[Bloody_Saint]

well to say animals have no souls is just plain wrong im not saying we dont was just making a counter point to that but if you wanna think about your soul could be your instincts from your dna reacting to an ever changing environment around you after all we are animals so is it right to assume we have no souls?

ok im loosing it im still awake from working yesterday i will try and make heads and tails of this once i wake up to be continued oh and heres a thought for yall (this only works if you believe in satan/god but i will make you think) seeing as we lie as a species you ever think that maybe through history we mixed the two up i mean if an all powerful being created us in her/his image and we turned out the way we did wouldnt so said being try and erase us so maybe other said being actually saved us..........yeah nvm im lost now just randomly typing stuff im outta here laters all gonna stop now before i hurt the grey squishy thing between my ears XD

[ArmedCivilian]

so im getting my confirmation and Father says... "everyone descends from adam and eve". I thinking how is that possible if there are different races in the world like black people japanese etc. and if we were all descended from adam and eve wouldn't we have the same blood type????


for all you hardcore religion people tell me what you think

I don't have time to read all the posts but your attack there isn't very good. First off there is this process called Natural Selection where a certain species adapts or evolves to its surrounding environment. If you believe in God, follow a religion, or are completely Nihilist that is still the reason there are different races on this planet.

[xBRONCOS]

so im getting my confirmation and Father says... "everyone descends from adam and eve". I thinking how is that possible if there are different races in the world like black people japanese etc. and if we were all descended from adam and eve wouldn't we have the same blood type????


for all you hardcore religion people tell me what you think

I don't have time to read all the posts but your attack there isn't very good. First off there is this process called Natural Selection where a certain species adapts or evolves to its surrounding environment. If you believe in God, follow a religion, or are completely Nihilist that is still the reason there are different races on this planet.

not attacking just questioning. :roll:

[Josh]

I don't think there is a good, think about all the bad stuff thats been happening lately, if God was real, why would he let it happen?

Just my two cents :)

[ArmedCivilian]

Well supposedly we are paying for past sins or the sins of our ancestors. Or the ominous being(s) are allowing suffering for greater good of our civilization.

[Etha]

As I've said before along with a few others; God allows destruction and bad to happen because we have free will. God gave us the gift of free will and we are abusing it.

We create evil and all the bad things that there are. It is our job to fix it, not God's. Here's an example:

911, remember it? Of course you do. This made a lot of people question this so called "God" and why He would let such a thing happen. My answer? God didn't do it, the people who flew the planes did. If God was constantly stopping all of what we do we would have no free will, right? That's the beauty of things, we can choose how we live. Sometimes, however, negative consequences come from our actions.


As for mass deaths due to natural disasters and diseases...this may sound morbid, but for me it's pretty much true:

The earth is suspected to be way over the carrying capacity. And the population is growing rapidly. And since there are many ways to cure once life threatening diseases, not many people are dying. Evacuations, not many people are dying...Red Cross and Peace Corps...not many people are dying...

If the world keeps going as it is with "not many people dying" there is going to be a mass death caused by disease, hunger, not enough resources, and we won't be able to help it. Don't get me wrong I'm all for peace and non-violence, but I'm also for the survival of the earth and it's race.

People have to die, they need to die in order for others to live. It's a sad time when it happens, but God should not be blamed for something that needs to happen; naturally speaking, of course.

[ArmedCivilian]

Yes he should. He is the one that made us the victims of Death.

[Etha]

Yes he should. He is the one that made us the victims of Death.

What are you referring to?

[ArmedCivilian]

Creationism, the story of Adam + Eve. Eve was tempted by the devil and both of them fell victim to the lust for the fruit. God banished them from the garden and gave them a death sentence along with all of their off spring. Unless I've gotten a few details mixed up.

[Etha]

Creationism, the story of Adam + Eve. Eve was tempted by the devil and both of them fell victim to the lust for the fruit. God banished them from the garden and gave them a death sentence along with all of their off spring. Unless I've gotten a few details mixed up.

Well I kinda meant what you were referring to in my post...

[ArmedCivilian]

So you think it is just for god to kill everyone because they used the free will he gave them in slight disobedience to him? Yes, this god does seem all merciful.

[sirius*]

the poll question is too generic, define god please or can you?

[lokifeyson]

bible = best fairy tale EVER!

think about who wrote it and why....

people who want you to believe in it, but how can we believe in something written by man? and why do they always only take one sentence out of it, to explain things?

I.E. - http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/animalheaven.shtml
-same link from my last post

why do they take only a sentence or 2 and get a big paragraph from it? especially when that sentence was part of one of the stories in the bible, a story that had nothing to do with the topic?

faith in afterlife = what people need so that they feel like they are not wasting their life going to work everyday and doing things not for themselves but for other people. because most people are afraid to die. they want to know that there will be something grand and magical after their death.

I took a "survey" at a fair once (btw, big mistake!) the guy said that jesus died for us, so that we can have everlasting life, all we need to do is beleive in him.

I said ok, so as long as hitler believed in jesus he got into hevean?

the guy said yes!!!!!!

I hate christianity! :evil:

this is my last post in this topic, because it upsets me :(

btw armedcivilian, I love you! :) :)

[Vintage]

Your all misled.

The bible is a book of stories, adam and eve isnt true, its a story to help us understand where we came from, where everything came from.

lrn2religionclass

[Etha]

I thought this was a religion debate thread, not a Christianity bashing thread.

What about other religions? How about Judiasm or perhaps Toaism? The world isn't made up of only two beliefs you guys.

[Vintage]

Im jewish

[xBRONCOS]

thats really sucks that dogs dont have souls. :cry:

[Vintage]

There are tons of jewish sects...

Of course dogs have souls, everything has a "soul"

I interpret a soul as our spiritual understanding.

[noobie]

Ok, so far this hasnt been too bad, but i can see things may be steming out of hand slightly.
So i propose that every post written be carefully wrote, starting with...i believe....
not...this is a fact etc
I wanna nip things in the bud before hell breaks loose.
Remember, we all have different views on this, and we should all respect that.

[`wolf]

well said noobie...
i mean no offense to any religious members here, but i do not believe in god. this may be becuase of my family upbringing, but i guess there is also the fact that i love science and for me..it doesn't add up.
but of course this is my belief, you dont have to support me.

i can understand if people believe in god because it is there religion. i respect that.

[ArmedCivilian]

Your all misled.

The bible is a book of stories, adam and eve isnt true, its a story to help us understand where we came from, where everything came from.

lrn2religionclass

So it is used to explain what we don't understand. That is just another fight against religion. People used it as a form of what science is today. To put our minds at ease, to put faith back into the human race, and to move onward into everyday life so we no longer needed great philosophers. The days of thinking have died. Welcome to the new era.

By the way, I use Christianity as a basis because I have a much more extensive knowledge about its teachings than any other organized religion. I don't think it would be quite fair to 'bash' the other ones until I dabble into a little more research. Though I have mainly given up on researching such topics for reasons that would take far too long for me to maintain interest in explaining to you guys.

Sorry, I believe in what I say in all my posts. Though that should seem self evident since no one really has any answers to these questions that we waste our lives on.